One of two things happens: either Im ignored altogether, or one of her underlings gets back in touch with me to defend her. Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip. on that if youre interested. Ill let you know how we continue our course of action. If he had, he would have been advocating one of four principles, which are inconsistent with the rest . I want people to study their Bibles and use Scripture as the measuring stick for the things that are happening and being taught in the church today. And the Bible says that women are not to preach to or instruct men, or to hold authority over men in the gathered body of Believers, the church. Theres plenty of video evidence of it and witnesses who could testify to it. Personal experiences can be evidence of the truth of rightly handled and understood Scripture, but not vice versa.
I dont want to lead us astray ). As Christians, we are to follow and obey Gods written word, the Bible, not our own opinions. Do you send women to your articles as a response?. Neil Richardson has proposed that instead of getting back to the Bible we should go forward with the Bible. Here is a short http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com article on Lisa: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=10843, You can also tell a lot about these leaders by what events they speak at: TRUTH AND LOVE Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. Fortunately, those arent your only two choices. As far as Priscilla, I am unsure of this. Id be delighted to hear back from you, Elizabeth. I think you are judging and do not agree with you. If a big guy writes against a LifeWay person, he might not get anymore invitations. The Bible says dont do X, Beth Moore does X. Thats breaking Gods command, which is sin. I KNOW this is your website and if I dont like it or cant relate to or dont understand what your position is on a particular topic~ I have the choice to stop reading. Bible Study Workbooks Priscilla's studies help believers to know the truths of Scripture intellectually and encourage them to experience these truths practically by the power of the Holy Spirit. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. read more, Scripture:
(I dont think she was building doctrine in this promotional video, but I could be wrong.). Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, From: Choose What is Right: A Study in Discernment- Lesson 1: Introduction. You are an intelligent woman. #1 You have noted that Priscilla preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures but I cant find the link. You just dont have enough time or energy to respond to every Tom, Dick and Mary.). As you can see, she has warm words of praise and admiration for Serita Jakes (T.D.s wife). Thanks so much for sharing this with me, Kelly! My heart longs for you to grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ by learning the truth of His word. Or will we apply extra effort and go beyond our duty? True, and there are many problems with Beth Moore as well.
Either way, while it is fine to fellowship and join with people of other denominations who hold to biblical doctrine (I have plenty of friends, and listen to plenty of teachers, outside of my own denomination, but they all teach and conduct themselves in line with the Bibles teachings. if there is a WOMENS Conference, and books written for women, and Bible Studies written for women, all of them are geared to women, they cant really help men being in attendance of their own perogative, Here is a partial list of things that the Bible does not answer definitively: 1. And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. My co-leader read your thoughts about Priscilla and I presented your views to the members of our study. It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective. When the Bible says not to do something and you do it anyway, thats a sin. Priscilla Shirer is a wife and mom of three boys hailing from the Dallas area. It just says dont. Period. It is a sad irony that Priscilla Shirer opted to name her ministry Going Beyond, because this is exactly what she is choosing to do right now. If a woman is supposedly knowledgeable enough about the Bible to be in the position of teaching and authoring, yet doesnt understand or obey such a basic biblical truth, what does that say about the rest of her knowledge of the Bible? With all that said, I do not say any of this out of ill intent, anger, or anything along those lines, I simply wanted to clarify, and say, that I agree with Michelles exegesis of (Matthew. I think it should be obvious that a face to face discussion is different from a written one, so theres no need to go into that. I do not think the bible says anything about women speaking in public as long as their not pastors, and she is not talking to men she is talking to ladies. I think the following articles will be helpful in answering your question: You might also want to take a look at the other articles in my Rock Your Role series. Yes, hope is needed, and no youre not going to find it on the news, but youre not going to find true hope in Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer, either, because not only can you not find hope in bad news (like the TV news) but you cant find hope in false news either, and thats what they teach. Go beyond by faith. How do we respond to those who are new Christians and who still "smell" of their former sinful lives? 2 Timothy 4:5 Verse Concepts Tools. read more, Scripture:
We are officially in the middle or a Pandemic called COVID19. Though you may have become acquainted with her over the last several years from her roles in the movies Overcomer and War Room,she has been writing womens Bible studies and has been a popular speaker at womens conferences and other events for many years. My exact words were: I knew she was his daughter, but Im completely unfamiliar with him or his doctrine. Since I made that comment, Ive seen several endorsements of Priscilla Shirer and her materials by Tony Evans, so I guess that tells us his perspective and the fact that hes not very discerning. but any time I have been to a conference where these women spoke and I looked across an entire arena of seats, very very few of them were occupied by men. If you are also then do we not have the same Holy Spirit to counsel and teach us? There are still some good, solid blogs over there (such as Kevin DeYoungs and Erik Raymonds), and they frequently put out helpful, doctrinally solid articles, but Ive chosen to use other sources instead. Christians dont get to have our own personal opinions. 3. If you carefully examine Beths and Priscillas events over the last several years, youll see that they headline plenty of events that are wide open to both men and women. Pink Impact ConferencePriscilla joined with faith healing apostle of the New Apostolic Reformation, Todd White, as well as false teachers Christine Caine, Lisa Harper, and Pastor Debbie Morris.
Also, the small sources dont have skin in the book and lecture circuit game. We only get to have the opinions of Christ as stated in the Bible. You shall generously give to him, and your heart shall not be grieved when you give to him, because for this thing the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all your undertakings. Amen. I am curious, have you confronted Priscilla Shirer of this sin.
Do you have any other examples? Sermon by Rick Crandall Well, man, if theres only going to be a handful of people experiencing what weve learned on the pewthen I want one of those to be me., The story of Joshua and Caleb being the only ones to enter the Promised Land has absolutely no connection whatsoever with how many Christians today will be able to achieve intimacy with God. If anyone has more info. To think one can just enter there work into the public domain without criticism, is simply ludicrous! Day and night they go around her upon her walls, And iniquity and mischief are in her midst.
Yet, I noticed in your comments that you did not once appeal to Scripture or support your position with Scripture. The reason I refer people in on line conversations to my articles is so I dont have to regurgitate what Ive already written. *People who blessed us. Michelle Thank you for your work in the area of discernment. There is no way to be saved by putting your faith in a false christ. 1. 4. Going Beyond the Bible by Colin Morris. Priscilla has also admitted in her book Discerning the Voice of God, p.39, that she reads herself into Scripture, an unbiblical practice sometimes called narcissistic eisegesis or narcigesis. Grayson Baptist Church - July 28, 2013 #4b- This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. No, this is a promotional clip in which Priscilla not only makes several incorrect biblical assertions, she uses those incorrect assertions as the foundation of this Bible study she has written. I read myself into scripture, too! Jonah 2:10. (These are not exhaustive lists, I just havent gotten to the next installmets yet :0) Do keep in mind that there are many fantastic male teachers out there, and its perfectly fine for women/womens groups to use materials written by men. The true bride will always go beyond the minimal requirements. I think I dont think I feel If youre a Christian, what you think, feel, believe, say, and do is supposed to be governed by Scripture. http://the-end-time.blogspot.com/2012/10/introducing-priscilla-shirer-and-jesus.html. 2. These are sources Im familiar with and consider doctrinally sound, but if someone digs up an article one of them wrote from ten years ago that says something biblically askew, I obviously do not endorse that.) I CANT FIGURE THIS ONE OUT! where those who recognize the deception and want to speak up, will have a place to go. You may not agree with all of these points, but there is enough here to indicate that you should be very wary of getting involved with Priscilla Shirer studies. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. Thats not an accusation, its a statement of fact. Having just heard what efforts even St. Paul had to make to run in the Christian race, and how terribly their fathers in the wilderness had failed to meet the requirements of God, they might be inclined to throw up every effort in despair. ), placing herself into scripture and thereby improperly luring women to God through personal experiences of Jesus instead of purely reading the Word of God. They teach a false hope that will eventually let you down and disappoint you. Hi Osa- Not off the top of my head. and before she began she said that she was there under the guidance of her pastor and that if men were present, they should understand that her teachings were meant for women. Youve come to the correct conclusion about Priscillas teaching, and the Holy Spirit does direct genuine believers away from false teaching (John 10:5), but I want all of my readers who happen across this comment to please make sure (as Im sure Lynette did) you ALWAYS base your beliefs on what Scripture says, not on feelings and impressions. - Theres lingering sin. Its not about doing good works to get myself into heaven, like going to church every
It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective.. I dont know half of your theological terminology, TO IDENTIFY THREE DANGERS BELIEVERS ARE TO AVOID. It is Gods plan for every Christianto grow to spiritual maturity and intimacy with Him. One of them went up to him and told him. Jesus taught us the way He wanted us to pray. It was stated, that the big name pastors are no where to be found when standing against these deceptions. AT THE GOING BEYOND SIMULCAST, YOU CAN EXPECT: Bible teaching from best-selling author Priscilla Shirer To gain tools to study Scripture on your own To engage in worship led by Anthony Evans A powerful group prayer experience The opportunity to make an impact by partnering with a ministry Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Furthermore, if this is a disingenuous comment/questions, you are being deceitful and displaying ungodly character and you need to repent.
If youre in need of suggestions of doctrinally sound blogs for women, go to the top of this page and click on Recommended Bible Teachers. Ive got two lists of 10 up there, and another one coming in the near future. It does NOT say, and be baptist. Scripture: Philippians 3:12-16 John Huffman Introduction I don't know if you are like me, but I imagine you are. And how their lives could be changed, too. I am a born again Christian. Thanks so much for your comment. Then why did you ask me any questions? But believers are to grow to maturity in their relationship with Christ and their knowlege of His word. Glad to know i am not the only dude that reads this wonderful sisters blog. I can always use more people praying for me. Do you think the stretching feels good? but me and the wife basically just wanted to thank and encourage you sorry for the wall of text! My point to your previous reply to me is that I refer to my bible for instructions from the Holy Spirit as to my role in the body of Christ.. Scripture is very clear that people like Priscilla Shirer who teach false doctrine confuse and stir up evil among believers: I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. Are they preaching from a church pulpit on a Sunday morning as a pastor would? Pentecostal. Theres more than one link in the article providing video evidence of this. NOW, I have to preface this with this was MANY years ago. rather than on the Bible. Mark 8:25 Verse Concepts Again, when the Bible says not to do something, and a person does it anyway, this is sin. Assembly Of God. ), The Treasure You Already Are | Priscilla Shirer | [at Joyce Meyers] Love Life Womens Conference 2013, Priscilla Shirer Talks Women and the Church, Moving From the Pew to the Pavement and Why Christine Caine Is at the Top of Her List at the Christian Post, Priscilla Shirer recommends Joyce Meyer, Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, etc., Bible studies on her blog at Going Beyond, Priscilla Shirer speaks at Joyce Meyers womens conference alongside false teachers Joyce Meyer, Lisa Harper, and Sarah Jakes Roberts (T.D. "Those from among you will rebuild the ancient ruins; You will raise up the age-old foundations; And you will be called the repairer of the breach, The restorer of the streets in which to dwell. Do you have other references to their false teaching? How is this different?. That's a possibility, but a better plan is that Scripture is Holy Spirit inspired. If your ladies need a doctrinally sound Bible study in the future, theyre welcome to use anything under the Bible studies tab at the top of this page. 3And I will make thee swear by
Priscilla often uses poor hermeneutics when handling Gods word. Have been vetting her this was very helpful! I shared this post on Facebook the same day my new pastor friend requested me. Jakes church, The Potters House, where, during a Gods Leading Ladiesgraduation ceremony, Priscilla accepted the Lady of Destiny award. Before you answer No too quickly, consider that we cannot live without fear. As Christians, the Bible is our authority, so its what the Bible says that matters, and thats what I point women to. I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another. The New Testament knows nothing of a Christian whos satisfied just to escape hell. And to top that all off, shes beautiful and sharp as a tack. Philippians 4:13 Verse Concepts I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. You could choose to simply pick up your Bible and study it.
With continuous prayer, we have decided to proceed with her study but with open eyes to the objections you brought up. And i have my wife to thank actually, because she asked me to help her find some pretty theologically sound ladies, and it was in a post Michelle did that she found what she was looking for. Some of the points you bring up give me pause. Another important point on this subject: Can you think of a Scripture that says pastors can give people permission, guidance, or authority to sin by disobeying Gods word? Also, and I am not downing what you say, as you obviously have many wonderful people reading your blog, these women are an excellent entry way in to the faith. First,this is a sin. Romans 16:17-18 tells us were to mark false teachers and avoid them. Neil knows much more about New Testament studies than I do, but I'm not sure how far forward we can go with the New Testament, given that most of its writers believed their world was about to pass away. Mark 10:46-53 So we both have been grateful ever sense, me personally because; as her husband she is my most important ministry, so besides Church, we do studies both together and private, and then share them with one another, we also pray together and so on, but i know (because i have learned, and it is also true of men) sometimes women need women.(Titus.2:3-4). Thank you, Michelle! -Opened new
Are they preaching from a church pulpit on a Sunday morning as a pastor would? Church Of God, CARE MINISTRY WITH THE MESSAGE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST IS IMPORTANT, CALLED TO CARE But books and blogs written for women are not what 1 Timothy 2:12 refers to, and its not the same as willingly allowing men to attend (which is something Beth and Priscilla both do) an event where a woman, in an authoritative position, is teaching Gods word to believers, or accepting speaking engagements that are open to men. Though there are others, these are the major doctrinal errors in this video, which is less than four minutes of teaching from Priscilla.
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Pastor Chris Rosebrough explains why Priscillas twisting of John 10 to mean that we can hear God speak to us is unbiblical. read more, Scripture:
Reblogged this on Eternally Secured and commented: unbiblical) meditation. I dont want my readers to believe something just on my (or anyone elses) say so. But we hope that as your faith increases, our area of influence among you will greatly increase as well, 16 so that we can preach the gospel in the regions beyond you. I also have a few tape recording of her Bible Studies that were done either in her Sunday School or her Tuesday Bible Study Meetings where she actually dismisses men from the room when she was at a church in Houston. 2 Kings 5:1-15
Im surprised to hear thats her position. (Edited to add- After I posted this comment, I noticed your comment was addressed to Seth Dunn, not to me. TEXT: CEB Brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit. But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not . By Wade Martin Hughes, Sr. Kyfingers@aol.com GO FIGURE? In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. 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